Jew or Christian?

I’ve been having this… conversation, I suppose you could call it… for about three days now with a dude here at my site.  It’s in regards to my post from a few days ago – the one that discussed the verses dealing with ‘many’ who take the ‘broad way’ that leads to destruction, and the ‘few’ who take the ‘narrow way’ that leads to righteousness… and how christians seem to think that they’re the ‘few’, when they are THE largest religious sect in the world.  Not to mention the fact that they fit the verse about how ‘many’ (<<there’s that ‘many’ again) will say, ‘Lord, did we not do good things in Your name?’ and He’ll look at them and say, ‘Depart from Me, you who are without the Law, I never knew you.’

Now of course christians are going to be pissed off that I’m saying they AREN’T the few.  They’re just as pissed as the Jehovah’s Witnesses would be if I told them they aren’t the 144,000 sealed saints that are going to Heaven.  ((Which is what THEY believe, even though there have been more than 144,000 JWs over the centuries, and that means there’s no room left for these ones, even if they WERE the 144,000 of scripture, which they’re not.))  They’re just as pissed as the Mormons would be if I told them they aren’t going to become gods of their own planet someday.  ((Which is what THEY believe.))  Let’s face it:  people don’t like their faith questioned.  And I know this firsthand – I was a christian for 30 years of my life.  THIRTY YEARS – devout like no one you have ever seen.  And when my faith was in question, I did the same thing – I got defensive… but the difference is that I wanted Truth, and was (albeit reluctantly) willing to consider the fact that maybe, just maybe, what I’d believed wasn’t Truth.  If it was, it could easily be proven.  If it wasn’t… wasn’t it imperative for me to find out what WAS Truth?

The crux of the problem I’m seeing in discussing this is the viewpoint.  You see, christians don’t see themselves as Jews.  They see themselves as christians.  And there is the FIRST and BIGGEST problem.  Because the Bible NEVER ONCE calls those who follow Messiah (who is one with Adonai) ‘christians’.  It calls them JEWS.

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.  – Romans 2: 28-29.

This is a problem.  Because the scripture is CLEAR that if you’ve accepted Messiah and choose to do the will of the Father as He did, then you are ‘grafted in’ the vine.  If you’re grafted in, you’re adopted, you’re a ‘joint heir’ with Yeshua and God’s people.  The christians know ALL of these nifty little catch phrases, but don’t really APPLY them.  Because there’s a difference to them between Jews and Gentiles, and they consider ‘christians’ (Christ-followers!) to be Gentiles.  Is that what Romans 2 says?  NO!  Christians have added another ‘box’ and put themselves aside in it, and the Law is for the Jews, not them.  The Old Testament is for the Jews, not them.  It’s just in their Bible for historical purposes or some such ridiculous business.  It’s WRONG… untrue!

Even in Abraham and Moses’ day – strangers (the Hebrew word for those who were not Jews was ‘Goyim’) could be ‘grafted in’ – ‘joint heirs’, part of the faith while not of Hebrew/Jewish descent physically.  Take a look at the verses:

And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.  One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.  Ex. 12:48-49

Does this cause Romans 2: 28-29 to contradict?  No!  Circumcision is an act of cutting yourself off from sin, and it’s STILL required, and it’s STILL a part of being set aside for the Lord, as He does not tolerate sin in His presence.  The ‘Ger’ who wishes to do the will of the Lord cut themselves off from sin (accept Messiah, today), then keep the Law and are “AS ONE THAT IS BORN IN THE LAND” – they become Jews.  Grafted in.  Joint heirs.

But more than that – look at the rest of the verse, the part I bolded and blackened.  ONE LAW.  There is ONE LAW, and it applies to both the Jews who are God’s physical people, and those grafted in – God’s spiritual people.  ONE LAW.  And whaddya know, it’s NOT just for the ‘Jews’, and christians are apart from it.  ONE LAW for all.  Not enough?  Yahweh repeats it over and over in scripture:

And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.  But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: am the LORD your God.  Lev 19:33-34

And if a stranger sojourn with you, or whosoever be among you in your generations, and will offer an offering made by fire, of a sweet savor unto the LORD; as ye do, so he shall do.  One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance forever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD.   One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.  Num 15:14-16

Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them. But the soul that doeth aught presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.  Num 15:29-30

Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the LORD your God, and observe to do all the words of this Law: Deut 31:12

Hey, guess what?  There’s ONE LAW of the Lord, and it applies to not just the Jews, but those ‘grafted in’.  And so NO, the Old Testament isn’t just for the Jewish nation, and NO, circumcision is not null and void for people today – it’s just been taken care of by the shedding of Christ’s blood instead of ours – the same with sacrifice – blood is STILL required to atone for sins, which is the point of Messiah’s once-for-all shedding of blood.  The Law has NOT passed, christians aren’t under different rules from Jews (in fact, they are ‘Jews’!) and scripture does NOT contradict… unless you’re a christian trying to stay separate from God’s people.  Which is an oxymoron in itself…

But that’s what happened.  Constantine wanted the fighting between the Jews and the rest of the world to stop, so the adopted their teachings and their Christ, but they stripped the Jewish-ness from it.  ((Which is why they made sure Easter and Passover never land on the same day, for example.))  They created another box for ‘gentile believers’ and separated them from the Law and the Jews… and consequently, from the Truth.  Which is why many will say in that day “Lord, Lord, didn’t we…?”  and He’ll say, “Depart from me, you who don’t keep the Law – I never knew you.”  And the Jewish believers were so tired of being persecuted and killed that they went along with it… even though it led to trouble.  Mixing something pure with that which is unclean always does.

It’s hard.  It’s hard to overcome THOUSANDS of years of church programming.  Thirty-three percent of the world’s population is telling you the WRONG thing, and it’s so ingrained from week after week of pulpit preaching bullshit that you can’t seem to reconcile any of this.  But it’s real, honest, scriptural Truth… which is why I’m telling everyone I know to GET OUT of the churches – they confuse matters and make everything a thousand times worse.  I know – I tried to go to church while working through all of this, and it was MISERABLE… because you can’t be unequally yoked like that.  And the church IS a cult today.  Christianity as it exists in our world is WRONG.  It’s misleading and full of leaven.  And a little leaven leaveneth the WHOLE loaf.  We’re warned about that, too.

There IS no such thing as Christianity in Adonai’s book.  There’s not a special box set aside just for gentile believers – the gentile believer is either a Jew and is circumcised of the heart (cut off from his sins) and follows the Law, or he’s not of God.  PERIOD.  The box you think you’re in doesn’t exist.  You either are a circumsized spiritual Jew, or you’re on the broad way, saying ‘Lord, Lord…” and being told to depart for your lawlessness.

And yes, it is that black and white.  And yes, this is your eternity I’m discussing here.  So please prayerfully consider these things.  I know it’s not easy.  He never said it would be easy.  He said others would rise against you – even brothers and parents – and they would hate you for your beliefs.  He said people would seek our lives because of our faith.  He said the way was narrow, not easy to travel like the broad path.  But the promise at the end is worth it.

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  1. Liz

     /  April 11, 2016

    I agree with you that most Christians don’t understand that they have been grafted in to the nation of Israel, and so there is a lot of misunderstanding about how the Old Testament still applies to us. However, I have a question. How do you make sense of what Paul writes about circumcision or uncircumcision being nothing? And what do you make of the fact that the early disciples did not require circumcision of the new converts?

    • Circumcision is a shedding of blood. We don’t do that, because Christ covers all blood (and water) sacrifice.

      My sons are NOT circumcised, for that reason. Hope that helps.


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