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The Oil and the Wine
We have now officially entered the fourth six-month period since Solana’s 7-year ENPI went into effect. Which means I *didn’t* get my earthquake. And for those of you who are new and/or don’t know, I have been on the end of my seat for DAYS waiting for a 6.5 or bigger quake to hit the Continental U.S. And I was thwarted, because Yah loves to smile down at me with his hand holding back the guffaws at my little scenarios.
Here’s my line up:
Sec. Half 07 – Seal 1 – AoC forms; holds first summit
First Half 08 – Seal 2 – Russia begins Ezekiel war
Sec. Half 08 – Seal 3 – Economic collapse; Oct. crash
BUT…! The third seal of Revelation (the one that ended yesterday) doesn’t just talk about Economic crisis (“A measure of wheat for a [day’s wages], and three measures of barley for a [days wages]“), but it also says “do not hurt the oil or wine”. Which *I* theorized meant a major earthquake that would cover the ground, since oil (olives – trees) and wine (grapes – vines) grow OFF the ground. Then George Ure wrote that he was expecting a 7.0 or bigger quake in the states in December, and I thought, “Oh, it’s my quake!!” Which, of course, never materialized.
This is NOT to say that Seal three wasn’t fulfilled during the second half of 2008. We had the October 11th crash which has started the major snowballing that the entire globe is getting to participate in. We have the Fed cutting rates to zero (!!), bailout (Ireland) after bailout (auto), Japan sinking (exports for Asia are down 27%), Iceland sunk (even Russia wouldn’t buy them)… Last year at this time the Dow was around 13,265 – current Dow is down 34.65%. And if that doesn’t scare you, here’s a fun little chart about home foreclosures – the data says that right now (in the midst of our panic) we’re in a LULL as far as the housing bubble is concerned!
Anyhow, so we’re now entering first half ’09… which is Seal Four: Rev 6:7-8 “And when He had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with the sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.”
So! What does that say to me? It says it’s gonna get worse! ((!!)) It says we’re gonna have WAR (look yonder towards Israel, dearhearts…) and inflation based on economic depression… and the whole “beasts of the earth” thing I took to mean a bird flu pandemic, but then again, that might go the way of my earthquake – who knows? ((Wash your hands, carry sanitizer.)) But the third kind of killing – “Kill with Death”… what is THAT?! Hrm.
I’m open to your ideas today. What do you think about “The oil and the wine”? And what are your theories as to what the first six months of 2009 will hold, going on the assumption that the fourth seal has just been opened at midnight last night? I’m eagerly awaiting your answers!
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Psalm113vs9
/ January 1, 2009Well if you read all those notes on the apocalyptic literature at dawnescapes then during the first century it was describing the famine in Jerusalem and yet they couldn’t use the oil/wine at the Temple for food because they had to ensure those things for Temple use not belly fillers….
just before midnight and well after last night it sounded like a war zone around our apartment …. every yahoo was out shooting their guns — all kinds —and coming from all directions.
We did fireworks as a kid not guns and I can see one shot but for an hour every tom joe and sally firing their weapons over and over ….get a life people….plus how smart are they advertising their weapons and whose to say they won’t get bored and start using people as target practice …. my son plays in this area ya know.
Anna
/ January 1, 2009I was hoping the noise would trigger my quake. Or maybe that the ‘quake’ would be a terrorist bombing. I’m wack… and thwarted. And have to get over it.Three words: Reality of Duality. :beam:
alidansma
/ January 1, 2009Well, Anna, I have thought about it.
I live in California where Olives and Grapes are abundant. So at first I was thinking it would have to do with climate. Olives and grapes both need abundant sunshine and hate sitting in water. A hard winter will kill olives.
Wheat is more of an inland crop..maybe wheat doesn’t like humidity? I don’t live in a wheat area, so I am not sure what it likes and dislikes.
But honestly it doesn’t say a thing about grapes and olives….it says oil and wine. I am thinking two things here. One is wheat harvest relies on diesel. No tractors = no wheat. Olives and grapes are tended by hand.
The other idea is that Oil and Wine have been processed – crushed. Wheat has not been crushed yet. Otherwise it might read: a measure of flour for a day’s wages.
Of course Psalm113’s comment about the oil and wine being set aside for use in the temple also is something to think about.
Exciting times.
LifeinLavender
/ January 1, 2009I don’t know about this specific situation…but I have had some thoughts on the illness part.I’m thinking more something like staph infection (MRSA). It kind of makes sense to me (don’t know why) that it would be something we did to ourselves and something we could have prevented. But people having so much faith in the govt and medical community continue to make the same mistakes and BOOM it’s widespread. Pretty much everyone I know gets a staph infection when they enter the hospital for any reason. My grandpa had an angiogram…got staph. My grandmother went in for kidney infection and blood clots…got staph. Aidan got staph at the same hospital 4 years ago and spread it to all of us. Women who are giving birth are getting staph all the time now…especially with episiotomies and c-sections. It really is becoming very very common. So we have some type of war, or famine…people getting wounded then getting staph…or people being starved weakening their bodies to where they are susceptible to the highly contagious infection.I don’t know. I think the Bible mentions something about painful boils. Which is exactly what staph is. And man does it hurt. Anyway, that is my little idea on that matter. :lol:
motherofmanys
/ January 1, 2009I’ve read several different interpretation of Barak Obama’s name (becauseit can be found in so many different laguages). I of COURSE cannot find it now, but I read a year ago that his name in one of the languages means ‘son of the prophecy of the white horse’.
Anna
/ January 1, 2009MoMs – Well, he’s a few horses too late. ((LoL!!))PS113 – You got some whacked neighbors! Aren’t you in an apartment? Do hillbillies LIKE apartments?!A’sma – VERY interesting stuff… but if it were the hand vs. implement harvest, we would’ve had an EMP in 2008. Remember, the Oil-n-Wine thing is over, now. We’re speculating in retrospect. Hrm.Kim – I don’t GET staph. Isn’t this one of the most sterile times in history as far as medical service/procedure goes? And yet staph has somehow gotten stronger than the disinfectants and sterilizing chemicals, I take it? I can totally see where you’re going with this (and the boils), but WHY are the infections on the rise?
Hearthrose
/ January 1, 2009I know why infections are on the rise, Anna. They rely more on antibiotics than on sterilizing things and keeping stuff super clean in hospitals – study after study says that they’re really not as clean as they look. And staph is nasty, gets into EVERYTHING. This is why you’re better off at home than the hospital unless things are really dire (just ask any nurse).
As for oil and wine and wheat… there is a nasty wheat rust going through the Middle East and southern Asia/northern Africa. They say it’s only a year or so off hitting here (via global wind from China). That doesn’t fit into your timeline, but it would fit the prophecy. Grapes and olives aren’t part of that disease. Or, how about the “super”seeds? What if something goes wrong with their gengineering? As another commentator mentioned, the big wheat producing places don’t do much about olives or grapes, and vice versa. I know you are watching the Great Plains for a natural disaster, one might also include the wheat producing areas more local to the Mediterranean area. Populations now have centralized and enlarged so that a wipe out to whereever Israel imports most of their wheat from would be a major problem, more so than the local wheat fields. Or perhaps if the nations in the area get ticked off about the whole Gaza thing and stop exporting food to Israel? There are a lot of ways that grain to that area could be cut down, whereas they grow their own olives and grapes.
When thinking about prophecy in these times, I’d think the best thing to do would be think as “Israel-centric” as possible. Are food prices in Jerusalem insane? That’s when I’d call it a famine. Has nothing to do with what the prices are here, except in that we have a global economy and obviously prices everywhere will rise if they’re importing to a place with money. When in doubt, make it as simple and literal as possible, IMO.
Happy New Year!
Hearthrose
/ January 1, 2009@Hearthrose – ETA okay or the Mediterranean in general. :p I do realise John wrote his Revelation on the Isle of Patmos, off Greece.
fiberaddict
/ January 1, 2009I don’t know…I’ve been pondering it, and come up empty. However….this economic crisis is leading into the one-world currency. Which will open the door for the one-world religion. Wine….wonder if that represents religion? Just thinking out loud here….. Could oil not be cooking oil, but petroleum? Gas prices are WAY down right now…….
It is interesting to watch, that’s for sure!
alidansma
/ January 1, 2009oh-kay..here is a new thought.
When we are talking about oil we are thinking olive oil. But there are many vegetables that are made into oil, corn, soybean, peanut…and of course there is the crude oil that we use to power so much of the planet.
And wine is…the party drink of choice historically, and a common choice for people who want to forget their problems.
So here we are in the midst of a food shortage (see :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_price_crisis)
And people are still driving their SUV’s and partying..
I know that was a far reach. We may not realize the food shortage we are in until months down the road. an interesting tidbit from the above referenced article :
“Declining world food stockpiles-
In the past, nations tended to keep more sizable food stockpiles, but more recently, due to the pace at which food could be grown and the ease with which it could be imported, less emphasis was placed on keeping high stockpiles. Therefore, for example, in February 2008 wheat stockpiles hit a 60-year low in the United States”
really, what government agency do you think would tell their people – hey guys we’re outta food? People won’t know until it is too late.
Gee whiz…I sound gloomy. Maybe I need to bake some cookies or somethin’?
~ali
alidansma
/ January 1, 2009@Hearthrose – Good point about prophecy being centered around Israel. I don’t know where their wheat comes from. Would be intereesting to look into though.
alidansma
/ January 1, 2009From: http://www.growseed.org/wheat.html
However today about 90% of the wheat eaten in Israel, Palestine and Jordan is imported from the US.
BeeyondSight
/ January 1, 2009Hey Anna, I have always wondered myself what that means… and I am inclined to say if we are “reaching for it” maybe it has not been revealed yet. I am suspecting when it gets here we will say …”Oh of course this is what it means.”The other interesting note about those passages is that technically they are about runaway “inflation”… which we may be heading for… but right now we are in a state of “deflation” or possibly “depression.”Back to the oil and the wine… Here are a few “theories” that I have batted about and the verses that substantiate them.1. That oil and wine are “luxury items”. This seems to be the most common theory. Which could mean that even though the prices of things have run wild the rich will still be able to buy stuff because well… they are rich.Psalm 104:15 And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man’s heart.Proverbs 21:17 He that loveth pleasure shall be a poor man: he that loveth wine and oil shall not be rich.2. The theory that some will become the “slaves of the rich” and yet will not benefit from it.Job 24:11They press out oil within their walls, And tread winepresses, yet suffer thirst.Micah 6:13-15“Therefore I will also make you sick by striking you, By making you desolate because of your sins. 14 You shall eat, but not be satisfied; Hunger shall be in your midst. You may carry some away, but shall not save them; And what you do rescue I will give over to the sword. 15 “ You shall sow, but not reap; You shall tread the olives, but not anoint yourselves with oil; And make sweet wine, but not drink wine.3. Their is an interesting theory that possibly wine and oil instead means “medicine”, and that even though God is bringing about some terrible things there is still mercy and healing available. (His absolute wrath and destruction has not yet been poured out.) Which BTW agrees with a verse later on in Rev. 6:9 where the martyrs are crying out “how long till you judge? )This means judgment “has not” happened yet.Luke 10:34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. Blessings, Bee
LifeinLavender
/ January 1, 2009Arrghhh I had this whole thing written out in reply to you…and I hit send and something happened to my internet connection. So now it’s gone. I’ll do it again later. :bang:
laurie
/ January 1, 2009it may not fit your timeline, but I’ve heard that neither olives nor grapes require bees for pollination while most everything else does….. And we’ve all heard the news about the declining bee population.
Anna
/ January 1, 2009WoW – I’m learning a LOT of things I hadn’t heard before from this discussion. Keep it coming – BUT please remember that the ‘Oil & Wine’ in reference to the six-month suggestion is finished – we’re not looking for something TO happen, but something that HAS happened. ((Unless I’m off on that, too. Y’never know, y’know… LoL!!))
LifeinLavender
/ January 1, 2009:rofl: :yes: :shh:
LifeinLavender
/ January 1, 2009Sorry about the previous smilies. My husband was reading…and well, he’s weird. :nuts:
hayleyg1
/ January 2, 2009Well, oil has been known to represent God’s Holy Spirit, and wine has been known to represent, according to www dot bibleperspectives dot com different things like: “the free offer of God’s saving grace (Is 55:1)…, the wholesome joy God offers to His people (Ps 104:14-15; 4:7), and the acknowledgment of God through the use of grape juice as tithe, offerings and libations…”—and, of course, the blood of Christ. So maybe the verse is saying don’t harm the worship of our Savior yet. Which we know there are attacks on all the time, but I’m talking on a world wide basis I guess. Just a theory. I also like the medical properties idea.FMFlo
Anna
/ January 2, 2009Kim – I know what you mean about hubbies. Mine’s being REALLY weird this week. As in R.E.A.L.L.Y. weird. As in… *affectionate*. What is THAT?!?! I don’t know what’s different, except that he’s reading ‘Twilight’. He hasn’t bitten me yet, but he even suggested taking BALLROOM DANCING last night – where the HELL did that come from!? I… can’t think like that. He’d be right in there with your guy, only he’d be putting beating hearts on my site, I’m pretty sure…
LifeinLavender
/ January 2, 2009:lol: Well, I guess it’s a good thing?? Maybe it’s his New Years aspiration to be a loving husband!I posted today about staph for you. Actually, it’s an old post from an old blog (over a year old) but is still relevant.
illgrindmyownthankyou
/ January 2, 2009“Kill with Death”… what is THAT?! Hrm. only thing that comes to mind is the fact that as believers won’t experience death like non-believers. idk maybe something like when the serpent questioned Eve about death? something along those lines, or not.
mtngirlsouth
/ January 2, 2009Could “kill with death” mean a lot of suicides? Like the spirit of death wont let them alone…….I’m inclined to believe that oil and wine has to do with wealth somehow.
mamatutu
/ January 2, 2009just thinking out loud here…but wouldn’t oil and wine have been the ‘pantry’ items in a home of that time? i believe someone else mentioned medicinal value for those two things, and i agree with that…i think they are what everyone would have had in storage. they were definitely more processed than wheat. the widow who fed elijah during that extended drought had both a little oil and some meal, though…and in my opinion, wheat is just as easy to store as oil & wine. i tend to think more literally, so i see that scripture as saying grain prices will shoot up and other essential foodstuffs will hold steady…i’ve not seen that in the past six months, though, so i have no theories for you. :)
BeeyondSight
/ January 2, 2009Wow.. I made it… I tried and tried to get on here! I am thinking my computer does not want to load all of your “flair buttons”… I am not sure why. But it will just refuse to load all of them… and it won’t let me access the comment page till they are all loaded on your main page. I wonder if they are “linked” to Facebook and FB gets slow then it creates a problem… then again it could just be me.Oil and Wine:One thing I just noticed is that the verse does not mention “everything” going up in price only the grains! So it may be something only limited to grain. (BTW, I am still looking at it as near future… not as something that has past.)Blessings, Bee
wondering04
/ January 2, 2009Oil and wine are luxury items – shows a bit of the class struggle – the poor will suffer, but the rich will have their luxuries still. Also olives and grapes do not need bees to be polinated – they are self-pollinating, so are not affected by the bees – which if they continue to decline will lead to more famine.
Heather
Anna
/ January 3, 2009Bee – Actually, I saved the buttons to my hard-drive and loaded them here, and they are only 8K a piece, so they shouldn’t be the problem. :kewl: